In THE DARK WOULD - The Verb BBC Radio 3 at 10pm, 19 April

'THE SECRET' by Márton Koppány. Courtesy of the artist.

THE DARK WOULD language art anthology will feature on BBC Radio 3 literary discussion programme The Verb this evening Friday 19 April, 10pm.  The programme can be accessed as an online broadcast, or later as a podcast at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tnsf

Also featured on this edition of The Verb are Serafina Steer, Sheila Heti and Steven Hall.

THE DARK WOULD published by Apple Pie Editions can be purchased  from distributor Knives Forks & Spoons at http://www.knivesforksandspoonspress.co.uk/


Philip writes:

It's a strange, tumbling and delight-ish thing, a conversation with Ian McMillan. Ian is the presenter for BBC Radio 3 literary discussion programme The Verb. I first met him at a creative writing session in The Big Issue office, which was gleeful, haphazard and yet sharp-focussed; the second time was yesterday at the big Beeb studio in Mediacity, Salford for a discussion about THE DARK WOULD, the anthology of 'language art' I've been compiling over the last two years.

THE DARK WOULD brings together some of the many outpourings of contemporary text art and poetry practice that cross and eddy through the world right now. From 'outsidered' art (which of is one of the mainsprings of the work of arthur+martha) to Conceptual Poetries and Arts, Text Art, Vispo, Concrete Poetry et al, etc, it's a big rush of invitees. Trying to represent them all  adequately in galloping McMillan-style on a radio magazine programme would've been impossible - and risked severe oxygen deficiency. Instead, we talked through two pieces in greater detail, hoping that they might be ambassadors for the whole collection, which spans 300 pages in the paper volume and over 1000 pages in the virtual Volume 2.

The first to be considered was the cover of Volume 1, a piece titled 'THE SECRET' by Márton Koppány. This visual poem refers, very elusively, to Márton's childhood home in Budapest, and the presence of the holocaust (sometimes spoken, sometimes un-) within it. Márton's parents were both concentration camp survivors; others of his relatives didn't survive. This piece is extraordinarily elegant and spare, a poem comprised of brackets only. It says a great deal, it seems to me, about the limitations of language and of passing on experience, without employing words. 'THE SECRET' was exhibited in a railway goods wagon as part of the exhbition 'a map of you' which I curated at Bury Text Festival 2011. The piece employs the font style of old railway signage and that together with its historical context meant that it seemed best framed by the doorway of a rail truck - recalling people bullied and bundled into goods wagons and cattle trucks, sent to their deaths. Looking at the cover of the book, I'm reminded of the holocaust survivors Lois and I met and worked with in Manchester. On the front cover of this book, 'THE SECRET' suggests other things too - it is perhaps a path, an opening into a wood.

The second work we discussed was Richard Long's 'ONE HOUR, A SIXTY MINUTE CIRCLE WALK ON DARTMOOR 1984'. This is a circular text piece, sixty words, written while Long made the walk across Dartmoor: 'JUMP SHADOW GRASS ICE SCUFF SOFT BLUE BREATHE...' It is a clock made out of words. Like much of Long's work it combines beautiful starkness with an after-echoing complexity. The writer Steven Hall was also interviewed on the show and, when he saw the book, was delighted to discover Long's work. I invited him to read the piece on air. It's a wonderful reading, although of course it is NOT the piece Richard Long made; in some way it's a breaking of it. By recasting it as a reading, we lose the component that makes this work vital - the use of space - which connects it to the circles of the globe and time. But occasionally we have to break apart a mechanism in order to understand it; having heard it, I re-appreciated what a thing it is, back on the page. Richard called me to discuss his work in the anthology and suggested a companion piece for this one in Volume 2 (our virtual volume). This was also a circular work, made in 2011 in South Africa. Moving between the two is a movement from paper to virtual pages and through Richard's ageing process - 1984-2011. It speaks to the broader theme of the anthology which is mortality - having a body, then not having a body.

These notes are written before The Verb is broadcast this evening; I wanted to acknowledge the two 'ambassador' pieces, but also the limitations of such discussion for a large book. THE DARK WOULD contains a wealth of remarkable works, essays, interviews - people, in fact.

People who are often overlooked in such summings up are the outsiders. Which is where I came into this piece, meeting Ian at a poetry workshop for homeless people. I'm proud to say that the arthur+martha project 'the warm/&/the cold', a large communal textwork made by homeless people as a quilt, is featured in THE DARK WOULD; as is a piece from our Spaghetti Maze project with people who have a dementia diagnosis.

I'll end by giving a list of contributors' names. And even this feels incomplete...

Jerry Rothenberg, Rosmarie Waldrop, Marvin Sackner, Tom Phillips, Nja Mahdaoui, Tom Raworth, Ruth Sackner, Paula Claire, Susan Hiller, Robert Grenier, Ed Baker, Lawrence Weiner, John M Bennett, Kay Rosen, Allen Fisher, Richard Long, Ron Silliman, Richard Wentworth, Kevin Austin, Maria Chevska, Alan Halsey, Ken Edwards, Mike Basinski, Charles Bernstein, Jenny Holzer, Hainer Wörmann, Tony Lopez, Fiona Templeton, Maggie O’Sullivan, Geraldine Monk, Márton Koppány, David Annwn, John Plowman, Jesse Glass, Jurgen Olbrich, Liz Collini, Robert Sheppard, Patricia Farrell, Fernando Aguiar, Shirin Neshat, Penelope Umbrico, Gregory Vincent St Thomasino, Anne Charnock, Steve Waling, Robert Fitterman, Michalis Pichler, David Austen, Keiichi Nakamura, Shaun Pickard, Geof Huth, Tony Trehy, Wayne Clements, Peter Jaeger, Elena Rivera, Kenny Goldsmith, Harald Stoffers, Erica Baum, Nick Blinko, Philip Terry, Caroline Bergvall, Carol Watts, George Widener, Philip Davenport, Nico Vassilakis, Monica Biagioli, Tacita Dean, Jeff Hilson, Alec Finlay, Christian Bök, Fiona Banner , Nigel Wood, Satu Kaikkonen, Simon Patterson, Dave Griffiths, Nayda Collazo Llorens, Vanessa Place, Peter Manson, Andrew Nightingale, Matt Dalby, Steve Miller, Christoph Illing, Sean Burn, Doug Fishbone, arthur+martha, Hung Keung, the gingerbread tree, Brian Reed, Laurence Lane, Tomomo Adachi , Tom Jenks, David Oprava, Scott Thurston, Julian Montague, derek beaulieu, Wang Jun , Mike Chavez-Dawson, Alec Newman, Rick Myers, Andrea Brady, Eric Zboya, Linus Slug, Jeff Grant, Richard Barrett, Christopher Fox, Linus Raudsepp, Carolyn Thompson, Tsang Kin-Wah, Stephen Emmerson, andrew topel, Anatol Knotek, Ola Stahl, Roman Pyrih, Christine Wong Yap, Sarah Sanders, Ying Kwok, Catherine Street, Michael Leong, Sam Winston, angela rawlings, James Davies, Rachel Lois Clapham, Steve Giasson, Amelia Crouch, Aysegul Torzeren, Jeremy Balius, Emily Crichley, Amaranth Borsuk, Ben Gwilliam, Imri Sandström, Sam le Witt, Fakhri El Ghezal, Michael Nardone, Tamarin Norwood, Lucy Harvest Clarke, Jessica Pujol Duran, Holly Pester, Rebecca Cremin, Ryan Ormonde, Nick Thurston, j/j hastain, Bruno Neiva, SJ Fowler, Alex Davies, Helen Hajnoczky, Samantha Y Huang, Anna Frew, Nat Raha, Jo Langton, Ekaterina Samigulina, Emma King, Leanne Bridgewater, Quentin Lannes, and more.

'THE SECRET' by Márton Koppány, in situ at

Text Festival 2011. Photograph by Julia Grime.